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Within his power legally to make sure those folks got paid, and we were able to do that. we were able to move money around legally, and presidents have the ability to do that. this president has the ability to do that as well in other areas and we will explore opportunities to do that. i don't think that excuses what president obama did on the daca decision several years ago. >> but do you think that president trump should use emergency powers to fund the border wall? >> presidents have authority to defend the nation. the president has asked every single cabinet secretary and the office of man...

Deal we have with mexico and canada, what we save on that just with mexico will pay for the wall many times over. >> now, obviously, congress has not yet ratified the usmca. but even assuming that does, that money doesn't go from mexico to the u.s. treasury to then pay for the wall. explain to me how the math works. >> the president's talked about this i think since he announced the usmca a couple months ago, is that it's so much better for us economically that when businesses do better, when the american citizens do better, taxpayers do better, the government makes more money. so we will be t...

If you can't even have a basic understanding of the facts, it's going to be very difficult to come to an agreement. >> well, when you talk about the crisis at the border, which president trump is talking a lot about, republican congressman will hurd of texas, retired cia officer, his district in southern texas includes more than 40% of the border, more than 800 miles of it. and he said, "building a wall from sea to shining sea would be the most expensive and least effective way to secure the border. true border security demands a flexible, defense-in-depth strategy which includes a mix of pers...

The president says he recognizes that technology is better than a barrier, but there are places where there is no substitute for a barrier. the barriers we have up now, in the high-traffic areas, are over 90% effective. so, where we have built a barrier along the southern border, it's reduced criminal immigration by more than 90%. yes, there are places in the mountain in the middle of nowhere technology's actually better and more cost-effective, but that doesn't obviate having a wall where you need it, and that's what this battle is all about. that goes back to the original question about the ...

Next. plus, border wall battle. democrats take control of the house and make clear they're not budging on the president's top priority. >> we're not doing a wall. we are not doing a wall. >> do red state democrats feel any pressure to compromise to reopen the government? alabama senator doug jones is here, in minutes. and taking the house. as democrats prepare to use their new power, passions of new members are already boiling over. >> we're going to impeach the [ bleep ]. >> but with house leadership preaching caution, will the fight over impeachment divide democrats? we'll ask the man le...