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Coverage on conservative outlets and on the idea there is a distrust of the establishment or there is traction to this idea inside of the base that the fbi is gone left on -- on politics or something like that. that is completely different than whether he has actually put himself in legal jeopardy because of this conduct. i think you condition look at what jack smith is going to be or what the findings are going to be and say how that would have any impact on the primary. i think it is apples and oranges. if he were to be the nominee again, it could matter in a general election. but i think po...

That is going to be vital to keeping america's operatives overseas alive, covert operatives and this is serious stuff and that is the argument you'll hear. >> and it is interesting if the arguments in court sound anything like what he just said. >> that is a key point. because it is not a crime to lie to journalists. but it is a crime to lie to judges, to investigators. and we haven't seen them put forth the arguments that they could de classify with his mind or an order that no one has seen. it is very different to make those in a court of law and we haven't seen that. so we'll be interested....

Inappropriate and i shouldn't have done this. biden has been cooperative but some of the comments could have been more contrite. but former president trump, he's in a different league. he's under investigation for obstruction for a reason. they are still not convinced they have all of the documents back. >> and one other point, paula, how is doj handling, not just one thing that jack smith is doing, he's also doing january 6. what could we expect as it relates to the multiple investigations even within doj? >> i think one question people had is will jack smith wait to present both investigatio...

About being open. he said that part of his job was going to be lining up interview, giving up all of these dom documents, and last whether or not president trump sits down with robert mueller's team. going back to betsy's point. this idea, is this new lawyer going to be someone who says, this is going to be good for us. we need to sit down with him because it's politically not good for us to be fighting about whether or not the president can sit down with a subpoena. rudy giuliani brought in is a political decision, not a legal decision. he's someone who will be a dog in the media. able to be ...

cain for leaking the story is speaking out. plus, lawmakers -- documents of the bankrupt solar energy company that got a half a billion dollar loan from the obama administration. you're in "the situation room." -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com while herman cain scrambles to try to get in front of the growing controversy, he's raking in lots of campaign contributions. cain's campaign now tells cnn they've raised an astonishing $1.2 million since sunday evening when news of the accusations first broke. meantime, cain may face new embarrassment and more pressure if one of his a...