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Keep the appropriate amount of distance. >> it wasn't difficult with barack obama. he's a lot of things and among them he's a good lawyer who understands the value of having an independent justice department. there were things that i would want to share with him because i knew he was going to be reading about them in the newspapers the next day, monday or something like that. the doma decision, the decision not to defend doma i made. i thought this was one he can't read about in the newspapers. so on the sunday of the super bowl party i told him this is the decision i made. he said to me, i'm ...

Be reading about them in the newspapers the next day, monday or something like that. the doma decision, for instance, the decision not to defend doma i made. i thought this is one he can't read about in the newspapers. so i on a sunday at a super bowl party i told him this is where we were going to go. this is a decision i had made. and he said to me, i'm really glad -- i didn't know how to approach you because this is where i wanted my justice department to be. i didn't think it was appropriate to share that with you, but i'm glad you made that decision. >> so you present td to him as a fait ...

One thing we always did was present both sides of an issue every single topic. two arizona ago when the doma decision came down it was incredibly difficult to find anyone who would speak on the opposition of gay marriage on television because people had said to us we understand we have lost this argument. no matter what happens, we won't stand by it. that's one reason the media coverage is bias. it's more difficult to present that side because people aren't willing to stand up and say it. when you try to find statements there's a handful here and there. protesters outside of the court but it's...

One thing we always did was present both sides of an issue every single topic. two arizona ago when the doma decision came down it was incredibly difficult to find anyone who would speak on the opposition of gay marriage on television because people had said to us we understand we have lost this argument. no matter what happens, we won't stand by it. that's one reason the media coverage is bias. it's more difficult to present that side because people aren't willing to stand up and say it. when you try to find statements there's a handful here and there. protesters outside of the court but it's...

It, knew that phil robertson held extremely conservative views. what i thought was interesting in revealing about this exchange, his comments about gay marriage got a lot of press and rightly so. but what he said about jim crow, the fact that blacks were, quote, unquote, happy and singing during segregation, got almost no coverage. i thought that was reflective of the debate we're having. remember, the supreme court's decision to overturn section 4 of the voting rights act happened a day before they then overturned doma. and the doma decision, which was a great victory for equality, really ove...