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Advocated for in foreign policy and national security during the campaign and there are an awful lot of us in the conservative movement who are not neocons who would love to see him go. think he is -- was a bad choice in the first place. and the fact that he's going near the secretary of state is quite secondary to removing people who do not have a good foreign policy perspective and program in mind, whether that causes consternation and discussion of turmoil or not, it's still better to remove people who don't share -- >> i want to ask you another question, tara. quick answer, please, because...

I want to be able to sit down with people who don't share the same views and see if they can silt down with other people without the same views and have a conversation. i had an idea in my head of what a trump supporter was based upon what i saw on the news. i'm telling you, honest to goodness, you know it's true -- >> yeah, yeah. >> when i saw you walk into the home and interview the family, a father, two sons, a wife. she said she didn't vote because she couldn't vote for hillary or trump, and they had all been obama supporters. >> two time obama supporters. >> that changed the way -- my who...

Same views and see if they can sit down with other people who don't share the same views and see if we can have a conversation. because i had an idea in my head of what a trump supporter was based upon what i had seen on the news. i'm telling you, honest to goodness -- i've told you this before. you know this is true. >> yeah, yeah. >> when i saw you walk into the home and interview the family, a father, two sons, a wife. >> the psych s -- sykes famil. >> she said she didn't vote because she couldn't vote for hillary or trump. and they had been obama supporters. >> two time obama supporters. >...

Happening. what am i going to respond to today? >> i have get my cell phone. >> let me get in it. >> well, i love what you're saying. >> you don't believe it. >> no, i believe it. >> you don't believe it. you think you can fight it head on. you cannot meet it head on and fight it. you have to transcend it. >> transcend it. >> you have to. >> yeah. listen, i feel like -- and you've been going out now and talking to people. you are not only one of the best communicators in the world, part of that is because you're one of the best listeners in the world. when you go out with "60 minutes" and talk...

And frankly, he's still the same guy to whom they awarded the degree. back in 1988 when he was announced as commencement speaker, lehigh'sthen president said lehigh is extremely proud to have donald trump as the commencement speaker. he is a man of great imagination and i'm sure his message listen received eagerly by students. trump's commencement address theme by the way was that students needed to get angry. after warning graduates of the dangers of drugs, alcohol and aids, he launched into a passionate attack on foreign competitors. quote so many countries are whipping america he said. we h...