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Doug ledder, the lead signatory, ran the civil appeals program at the justice department for many years before he became the top lawyer for the house. so this is well thought out. it's well researched. it's well evidenced. and when this referral makes its way over to the justice department, it won't be something ephemeral or sketchy. it will be an allegation of two specific crimes, at least two that were committed, and a lot of evidence to back that up. the issue here has always been trump's state of mind. for one of the stamp utilities here he has to have acted willfully and that means with a...

Already voted on might not be the entirety of the articles of impeachment when all is said and done. and this is something that comes as no surprise to anyone who has ever practiced criminal law because criminal lawyers know an indictment, and as we've talked about a lot, craig, articles of impeachment, are sort of the equivalent of an indictment in a criminal case, that indictment can be amended. it can be superceded with new charges or even new defendants up to a time that a defendant goes to trial. that's to say there's no artificial cutoff that says once we pass articles of impeachment, th...

Testimony, the former white house counsel, becomes available, it might mean the ten instances of obstruction of justice laid out in the mueller report are viable. those are criminal violations of the united states criminal code. republicans claim the president isn't charged with crimes. it would be appropriate to bring those forward if the evidence becomes available. >> you mentioned formeder white house counsel don mcgahn. why are they so interested in mcgahn's testimony? >> mcgahn was a key witness to obstruction of justice. he was present when the president talked about firing bob mueller i...

And doug ledder who represented the house is a suburb lawyer and they could do it. i'm worried that is going to drag them and delay things and have the focus lost. right now it seems like the american people, at least a significant number of them, are upset about the president's conduct with respect to ukraine and his comment about china. and so i guess i would try to focus on that. when you're investigating or prosecuting any type of case, you don't want to load up your indictment with a bunch of extraneous stuff if you think it will distract the jury or open the door to the defendant making ...