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And who is whispering and controlling the president. they call the shots. barack obama called the shots. this is donald trump. he's not going to change. >> david, what is your reaction to the west wing turmoil with kelly? >> yeah, so i think david is right, but at least the component of this, i assume for general kelly has to be that he's been a long-time government servant. he wants, he has a sense of patriotism. the problem is that you get to a point where there's a fine line between staying with it because of your sense of duty and enabling what i have to assume he sees as conduct unbecomin...

General. rex tillerson is a former ceo with exxon, 40 years, and there's a mismatch because president trump is not one of these button-down, buckle-down guys. he's sort of an improviser and a habitual line-stepper and it's a misstep between employees and employer. >> a source close to cnn says kelly is like the janitor, the latest guy brought in to clean up. we're talking about a four-star marine general who lost his son in combat. this has to be galling to anyone who has served in the military or supports what they do. >> yeah, they always remember your exit. they always remember the last job...