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>> looking now -- >> katty? >> ben, to some extent when you have a summit and watching biden arrive at this summit meeting as he gets out of the beast, is there some danger for the white house in this that you're upping the ante by virtue of having this summit. putin is getting what he wants, he gets the meeting with the president of the united states of america. if joe biden now sits down in that meeting and says here is the red line on cyber, let's take that as an example. another attack on a key piece of american infrastructure, we will retaliate. after having had this summit, the white hou...

Arrive first at 7:00 a.m. eastern time. we'll see if that happens. followed by president biden shortly thereafter. after being greeted by the swiss president, the three leaders will then appear together before the cameras where only the swiss president is expected to make remarks. then, the meeting, secretary of state tony blinken will accompany president biden for the first phase while putin will have his foreign minister. each side will also have a translator. the meeting will then expand into five senior aides on each side. it's expected to last about four to five hours with some breaks. af...

Administration to deconfront this head on early to move on to other things including down the road china. >> i mean, he's been doing this for 40 years. the only parallel i can draw is with another president would be nixon, who, of course, starting in '53, as ike's vice president, had been on the global stage for two decades. >> but always the understudy. this is his show finally. >> right. >> it is. i will say, though, that that experience is valuable. even at times if one thinks he's made mistakes, especially on the world stage, i mean, he has a real sense of what he's doing, of who he's talk...

Can't read a whole lot into it, but it was formal. if anybody looked relaxed, it seemed to me it was joe biden. >> yep. >> putin's hands were clinched and biden seemed like that old guy that we know, pretty much at ease with himself. i think we'll see. this is going to be a long meeting from what we're told. it could be three, four hours or more, extended agenda. we'll see what comes out of it. and more as ben rhodes and others have been saying, what the process of implementation of monitoring is. i think is good that these two sit down and begin to frame whether it's possible to have somethin...

Something he wants which is the big splash on the world stage, but the reality as anne applebaum said, putin will keep coming after us irrespective if there's a summit or not. how much can you deliver in terms of messaging in this meeting. they'll come, president biden, with tough words and be very welcome by the world's democracies. then we'll see where this goes from here. but i don't think there's any reason to not explore what you can get done here. >> gene robinson. >> i have a question about the mechanics of the meeting both for ben and for ambassador bolton, you guys who have been insid...