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Against somebody they thought could launch a war against them. number two, it's because they may not want to litigate the issue. remember, if they are getting into argument whether or not this is a crime, it's like saying i didn't touch her inappropriately. i massaged her inappropriately. the underlying problem is still the same. you don't want to get into that argument for the court of public opinion. they were trying to not litigate it. even nixon didn't want to litigate the crime fraud exception. this is a common theme and makes sense from that perspective. >> 45 years ago this week newswee...

Cash payment. it is reminiscent of that. that kind of skullduggery by a president, which is really beneath the office. it brought down nixon. this may resuscitate things that are no the helpful to the president. >> skullduggery. >> the demeanor and tone are very important. we're on television but audio is very, very powerful. it was. i remember vividly hearing those watergate tapes for the first time. >> what about the president's loyal supporters? and trump voters? if the "access hollywood" tape didn't move the needle on that, should anyone think this will? >> that's interesting. i think the ...

Of course, there's concern in the white house about cohen because of his penchant for audio recordings, for having meetings he doesn't always disclose with people beyond president trump. and so they say with michael cohen, he's not just a risk, he's a question mark. they don't know what they don't know inside of the west wing. >> it was a taping system that will brought down nixon. here we have a lawyer with a taping system. anyway, it's a frankenstein's monster. robert costa, robert jolly, jill, thanks for coming back. pompeo made a secret to meet with kim jong-un. what will the north koreans...

And ned price is a former special assistant to president obama and an msnbc contributor. i want you to go through the importance of the committee. it is the judiciary committee. i remember going back to peter radino bringing down his moderate democrat, big city democrat, bringing down nixon. it happens that way. they're the tools of impeachment, that committee. >> it does. obviously, it would be a big boon in their favor if they actually had the majority in the next congress. >> they can do that. they're close. >> so with that in mind, that is why whoever becomes this next democratic leader of...

Of people with hexes. >> i did put hexes on people, but you can also call it spells or prayers or wishes. i didn't wish them to be knocked off. i wish them only to suffer what they had caused me to suffer. >> so it's justice? >> yes. so if you're in washington, for instance, look at how many people wish other people ill in washington, d.c. and i cannot tell you how many people, my friends, who don't believe in this, have begged me to put a hex on donald trump. and i don't do it anymore. i'm not doing it. it's over. >> one of my producers, she said n washington, no one's late for an execution. ...