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The test, that what he says is solid, that this problem that they have, which is simply this. when you alter the code to make changes in a large computer program like this, there is a possibility that each alteration could open new security vulnerabilities and you have to continually test. they claim they did it in december. the guy has apparently tried to work and hack his way in since then and found that he could, so the problem would seem to be real and persistent. the question is how much coverage it will get and my question is beyond you and a few others not much. >> the president is doin...

Working for what, a month and a half, so there's no comparison. let's see what happens with obamacare. the administration is intent on getting this rolled out, embedded, people sort of dependant on all of these subsidies. 80% of those enrolled have subsidies so in a way it becomes unrepealable and it will risk anything including these open security problems in order to achieve, that so i think that -- that they could be headed, and we won't know until a month or two or three or six months or a year whether or not this openness to hacking is a serious problem. >> is this a winner politically fo...

True story. >> yeah. >> but the story is going to keep shifting. the narrative is going to keep shifting because as obamacare moves forward, and as it seems to be working better and better, you know, the republicans are going to get more and more desperate over what they're going to attack. so harry reid is saying, come 2014, this may not be a liability for the democrats. it might be an asset. he might be right. it might not just be spin. >> david corn, dr. corey hebert, great to have you on "the ed show." thanks much. >> thank you. still ahead, new jersey governor, chris christie, could be ...

These people don't seem to care about their neighbors who don't have insurance. >> doctor hebert, isn't it rather hard to lie on medical records? >> it's very hard. it's very hard to lie. >> when somebody comes into your office and they are a medicare patient, medicaid patient, either one, i mean, the information in the medical community is pretty tight. doctors would know if there is something fraudulent going on. >> right. and we monitor that closely because of medicaid fraudulent activity that happens all of the time. look, we have to think about this. if we publish the entire republican pa...

Medicare opportunity for consumers in their state? you know, these governors that have rejected it? i mean, it's going -- isn't it going to be hard for some democrats to really embrace it and others not to? >> well, perhaps. i don't judge my colleagues or potential colleagues in how they do their politics in their states. but i'll just go across from cincinnati, look across the river to kentucky. >> sure. >> governor in that state, been on your show before, ed. that governor asked two of the farthest right republican members of the senate that have done huge -- tried to inflict huge damage on ...