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I am curious about our allies, are they some of those that tipped us off about isis-k, they all seemed to be in on it quickly making a warning. some positive signs that we have the intelligence. down side, counterterrorism ground operations, air strikes in a major city, those aren't going to happen unless it is absolute devastation in terms of attacks there. our options are extremely limited in the final days headed up to 31 august. >> explain why isis-k is a sworn enemy of the taliban. >> so isis and al qaeda have been rivals. you may remember back to 2015, there was a split essentially betwe...

0 >> karen greenburg, thanks so much. that does it for this edition. chuck todd is up next with "mtp daily" only on msnbc. well, don't worry, andrea, you're not going very far. we're coming back to you in a moment. welcome back to "mtp daily." a pair of explosions rocked kabul, have tloefr the u.s. evacuation efforts into turmoil, just five days before president biden's agreed to deadline to get americans out. u.s. officials tell nbc news at least three marines were wounded in the attack outside the airport. hospital officials are treating about 60 people injured and at least six killed. pen...

Us. first of all, let me just ask, because you've had this very rare what must've been odd experience. most americans will never set foot in a room with the taliban. what is negotiating with them like? can you take them at their word? what tactics seem to work with them? >> so, i think the key thing to remember about the taliban is they are a militia, a regional militia. they're fairly well organized. i think on the upside they can keep their word. on the down side, if we don't have pressure, and i mean that from a military perspective, to hold them accountable, they won't keep their word. and...

Israel, for instance, people over 60 are automatically eligible to go and get that third shot and we're seeing it elsewhere, as well. some people are doing it on their own and we're not advocating that and i'm just seeing some are. >> the down side is it's not necessary in the overall populations and the threshold in a non-immunosuppressed people is they get breakthrough infections that land them in the hospital to a high degree. that's just not happening. if you walk through the covid patients and the vast majority of them were not vaccinated and our vaccine for holding up when it comes to wh...

Same chance of miscarriage with or without the vaccine that your pregnancy is actually safer with the vaccine, that does take time to accumulate that data. i think your point is actually well taken and could be applied to the design of trials. because that's what we're talking about. we didn't have enough pregnant women and issues of safety of including pregnant women in trials but this pandemic has illustrated we need to do a better job with that and do a better job of thinking how we're including populations such as the immunocompromised, that's why we're talking about boosters as well. >> i...