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Republicans can just maximize the number of seats they put together. >> well, i take your point. i mean, obviously i agree with you that extreme and partisan gerrymandering has become insidious and pervasive across the country, in particular republican-governed states, right? largely. states like texas and florida where clearly you have legislatures that will work to corrupt the redistricting process. but i don't believe that that fact ultimately compels or would warrant democrats doing the same. far from it. i think as you said as a policy matter democrats believe in good government. we belie...

Governments because the supreme court is going to do nothing to prevent them from writing the congressional districts any way they feel like it in terms of drawing district lines. that puts an enormous premium on who's in control of what states at the time that this next round of apportionment happens. so these cases should really be seen as importantly interacting with each other. >> yes. definitely. >> i agree with jonathan that the significance of the census case is very very big. >> kim, on thursday, the supreme court justice, elena kagan, she made an impassioned descent on the gerrymander...

>> this is another case where the interest of the republican party in particular are at stake because especially after the 2010 census, when the republicans controlled states like florida, wisconsin, ohio, pennsylvania, which some of which they don't control anymore, they drew the lines so that republicans, even though they were very evenly divided in terms of overall voters, overwhelmingly controlled the state legislative districts. and the question in this case and we'll know the answer soon is, is that constitutional? is it constitutional to draw district lines that dramatically advantage o...

Courts have to stay out of these questions of whether maps are extremely partisan gerrymandering. basically, the court is saying here that the courts have no role to play and that means that all of these maps that challengers have said were partisan gerrymanders, the politicians went too far in drawing these lines for strictly political gain, the court is saying, courts cannot rule on this. this is strictly within the purview of congress. so it's quite a stark ruling here 5-4, all five conservative justices taking this stance. the courts have no role to play here. the issue here is that the ch...

Districting leads to results that reasonably seem unjust but the fact that such gerrymandering is incompatible with democratic prince pms, arizona state legislature does not mean that the solution lies with the federal judiciary. saying it might seem unjust but we can't solve this. >> that's exactly the holding in this opinion today and he continues on to say, poppy, and this is important in the opinion saying our conclusion does not condone excessive partisan gerrymandering nor condemn complaints about districting to echo and avoid and goes on to talk about how the states are addressing this ...