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over things like migrant flights and the threat to throw him in jail. desantis thinks it's time for gavin to man up and get into the race for the white house. >> you know what? stop pussyfooting around. are you going to throw your hat in the ring and challenge joe? are you going to get in and do it or sit on the sidelines and chirp into throw your hat in the ring and then we'll talk about what is happening. >> i guess gavin likes being on the sidelines. here he is repeatedly ruling out a white house run. >> are you considering running for president in 2024 or 2028? >> no. not at all....

President to come out and say, you know, they should not this. i'm happy he came out and said it, i really am, but why is he saying it? is it a message to joe like joe get off of the stage? joe you're being ridiculous? i don't know what his motivation is. there is a reason he did this. >> he may be sending the message. >> at some point we'll figure out what the reason is, but getting joe off of the stage is what i think ultimately they all want to do. i think they recognize that the democrats are vulnerable with joe as a candidate. who knows what they will come up with. and you can say yeah ye...