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case. people who had their campaigns funded by david macintosh and club for growth are not listening to him. they're not listening to former president trump so do they really have the influence that they think they have? >> yeah, chaos feeds on chaos, happy birthday, congressman. we'll go up to the capitol to manu raju and, manu, tell us about the key meeting of these rebels, of these conservative holeouts happening right now. tell us more. >> reporter: this can be a pivotal meeting. several members we are looking closely to see how they will vote are holed up in emmer's office, a me...

Of these people not voting another gavel. fine with jordan do it. he's been the leading man of the freedom caucus since its inception essentially. >> and geese to show how much things have changed. jim jordan is now mainstream. >> the tactics were learned from him, so this is reaping what you sow in terms of people have this experience of 2014, 2015, the government shutdown, the debt ceiling, this idea that you have the leverage to halt everything. they learned this from someone. they learn this five, six years ago and now mccarthy is trying to wait them out because that's his lesson. >> let's...