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Look, i've been a guest on larry king's show many times. i've guest hosted for him and i've talked to him here in the makeup room at cnn l.a. many times in the last year. i maerng he's just genuinely a nice guy. he's kind of the nebbishy jewish guy from brooklyn who never got pretentious, never got full of himself unlike so many others on cable news. and i think that was his strength. he intentionally asked short simple questions because the show was about his guests, its want about him. and don't forget, he's not just a star here in the united states but internationally. "larry king live" is ...

Saxophone on ar zenio hall and all that. larry king's going to continue to do specials here on cnn, tammy haddad. he told me he's not leaving because of the ratingsings, which have dropped severely over the last year. not leaving because of the problems with his wife, they've separated. but it's hard to imagine he'd be walking away if he were number one in that time slot. >> well, i think that's right. and i think that cnn has not created an atmosphere now that appeals or is favorable to his kind of interviewing style. and they're looking more at hard news. john klein has been on this show and...

Years. but now he not only has to compete, lisa bloom, against fox's show and hannity but msnbc's rachel maddow. the competition has gotten a lot tougher. >> well, i think larry has competed with them by not competing. it's not a news show. it's a talk show. he's had celebrities, lady gaga. you know, and presidents. it's a different kind of show. it's a minimalist show. and i don't think the problem is the competition. i think perhaps he's just losing the audience for that kind of a show. it's not flashy. it's minimalist. he actually lets his guests talk. you know his motto, which i've always ...

From nice guy, non-threatening host, to nice guy, non-threatening interviewer of presidents and white house candidates? >> well, i don't view him as that non-threatening. just because his attitude and demeanor wasn't threatening, it didn't mean he didn't get the story out and he didn't talk to people and get something out of them that wasn't out there before. you know, it's all how you look at it. let's go back to what was going on at the time. cable news was young. the idea that people would come on shows other than on sunday mornings to talk about real issues, it just didn't exist. i mean, p...

Bauer isn't totally leaving us yet. >> could see him on nbc. >> you've got time to catch up. >> see you at 2:00 for the latest entertainment news. meantime, go to scoop.msnbc.com for more entertainment news. courtney's back with me in our 2:00 p.m. eastern show. and there are things considered news in this world, but there are a few stories that make us say -- >> no way! >> so vice president joe biden had quite a st. patrick's day. at a white house ceremony for the visiting irish prime minister, brian cohen, mr. biden made a cringe-worthy comment about the prime minister's mom. take a listen...