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and members of his inner-most circle. we're talking about the slates of fake electors set up in battleground states. they set up as the spark for the rest of the plan as conceived by john eastman. from the very beginning from when the plan was first conceived days after the november election, attorneys for the trump campaign were well aware of the fact that their plan for slates of fake electors was -- how should we put it -- fake. "the new york times" reported on emails from trump lawyers that say this, quote, we would just be sending in fake electoral votes to pence so someone in c...

The mueller team, including andrew who is with us now, is aware of this, whether we like it or not, incredibly high bar for charging an ex-president. jack smith aware of that, too. i wonder what you think of this effort on smith's part to develop clear evidence of trump's state of mind. >> i think it's essential. as you read that last quote about being able to make the case in the public, i think that's the difference between direct and circumstantial evidence. we might be able to infer from the circumstances that trump knew that he had lost the election. when his own statements verbatim can b...