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Leverage over a witness, they will often put pressure on those spots and make it clear that people like paul manafort that you're all alone. and as "game of thrones" would say, winter is coming. so i think that was certainly conveyed in that predawn raid. but obviously these statements are not helpful. i don't think it was helpful for his attorney dowd to criticize the raid on manafort. what they are losing is that crush space between the president and key targets. usually white houses try to increase that space, and they're doing everything they can to eliminate it. >> phil, become to paul ma...

Increase that space, and they're doing everything they can to eliminate it. >> if he's truly in a jack, if they think they have something on him, the question will become, will he tell them everything he knows if there's any links, or would he keep quiet? how do authorities navy gait a that? >> i suspect he's not. why would you conduct a raid if you anticipated he would it el you everything. there's a couple elements you can build. number one, talking to him. number two, talking to people around him. number three, getting the digital trail, every e-mail, every phone, every time he texted someb...