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Leverage over a witness, they will often put pressure on those spots and make it clear that people like paul manafort that you're all alone. and as "game of thrones" would say, winter is coming. so i think that was certainly conveyed in that predawn raid. but obviously these statements are not helpful. i don't think it was helpful for his attorney dowd to criticize the raid on manafort. what they are losing is that crush space between the president and key targets. usually white houses try to increase that space, and they're doing everything they can to eliminate it. >> phil, become to paul ma...

Casualties or strikes against them. if you only get one through, it is traumatic. going back to john and phil, what they just said, it is all about choices. how do you pull them away from this and why are we lowering ourselves to the level of north korea? >> right. >> gloria, are you going to say something? >> just to make that point. here you have the united states which should get a lot of credit and a vote in the u.n. security council against north korea. and why we are not isolating kim and saying the entire international community standing against you and ensteinstead tu it into a fight b...

I know he was with the campaign for a short period of time but i have always known he's a good man. i thought it was a very -- you know, they do that very seldom. so i was surprised to see it. i was very, very surprise to see it. >> phil and professor jonathan, what do you make of the president said? >> the usual practice for presidents when there is a criminal investigation is to say almost nothing. he said, he thinks he's a good guy, i don't think it was terribly inappropriate but it is a departure of how presidents usually handles these sorts of things. what's significant is what robert mue...

The united states quote, "will suffer a shameful and doa doom." >> joining us now, admiral john kirby and our cnn political and former cia and senior official phil nye. if anybody thought that the president is going to change his tone, he just seemed to double down and set some sort of whether challenged or basically kind of drew a line under the north koreans own data. >> it is five days away, anders anderson. >> it is interesting because this was a guy who elected because he's a great businessman and negotiator. he's going to his final option and already going to suing before he tried to neg...