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Says one thing very firmly before he meets with trump. another thing after he meets with trump at the moment just before the impeachment trial. listening to that with prosecutors ears, i immediately want to ask questions and look if there's been obstruction of a witness ahead of that impeachment process. and whether mccarthy is a coal conspirator, or whether he wants the position himself as a victim and witness. i think there's a lot more to come here. >> peter, this white house is trying to help democrats hold on to the majority in the house. this committee is largely democrats with a couple ...

Representatives for contingent elections where we would vote by state rather than by member. but those people were shocked that perhaps other elements of the trump operation, which was always huge and sprawling and franchised out to different elements. some more violent, some less violent. but there may have been other people who were intent on simply stopping the vote count, shutting down the congress, stopping the steal by overthrowing the election. and so, i don't know exactly where kevin mccarthy was with respect to that. i mean, i have my suspicions that he was with the program when it ca...

>> and have you spoken with his chief of staff? >> i've spoken to the president, i've spoken to other people in there and to the white house as well. >> so, mccarthy like everyone else, right is desperately trying to get the president to call off the mob that he has sent to the capitol that has not reached and threatened lives by chanting, hang mike pence of the people inside. including kevin mccarthy. and i first mccarthy stood by that. we delivered remarks on the house floor. and then a week later, as the committee also points, out he stood up and placed blame, squarely on the president. >> ...

To say, but there are bad actors in there, in some states. so, we have to federalize some things to guarantee elections. we also have to pass the electoral -- this is the most important thing, and it could pass. right now, the way we count the electoral college isn't credibly antiquated, and full of problems that can be exploited by bad actors. and we have some bad actors lurking around. so, they go to big and don't have the votes, if i were them i would focus more on having the issue to take to people to win the election to get power then the line of biden for another loss in the, senate whic...

Manchin's vote. nbc news is reporting, and president biden will do something that most presidents don't do, he will attend tomorrow senate democratic caucus lunch, to press the case in person, with all of the democratic senators for changing the senate rules, to pass voting rights. joe biden has attended literally thousands of those senate luncheons as a senator, no one knows how to work that room better than joe biden. tomorrow senate lunch meeting is the most important one of joe biden's 45 year career in washington. tonight's last word is next.