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Lire performing and win the nomination? >> most of voters know his character. that's why he's steady in the polls. but if elizabeth warren or bernie sanders take him on in iowa and new hampshire we have a fight on our hands. we know he may misspeak. but right now it's an electability argument saying he's the one who can beat trump. until we can find other candidates who can beat trump. >> there are four or five. but joe biden's steady support is because people know him. he was obama's guy. but they see him as the champion to feet donald trump. >> i want to turn to another subject which appears...

Ideologically related to their party and candidates fencing i like this person for health care, for military, international affairs. in reality, you need someone who's going to be a good president and i think the democrats are saying this is our ideology is being trump. that's our goal. so biden is the guy. tonight he is the best guy for that >> sandra: we are going to see a complete shift once the progress of democratic policies are around a single candidate. right now he's leaving because he is the establishment choice and people are hanging their hat on his electability but you talk to prog...

Care about the electability argument, they care about somebody fighting for them. >> jon: one of the paths among democratic candidates right now seems to be asking those who are not religious the vote for them. if have you seen that approach from people like beto o'rourke? >> i think it's been happening but now we are talking about it, i think the idea of the democratic party which is people who are ultrareligious, people moderately religious and people that have no religion whatsoever or don't believe in god, the big tent of the democratic party brings all those together the democratic nomine...

>> absolutely. but if you look at most polls of the democratic electorate, i think the party is generally moderate, and they want a candidate -- >> it's older than you realize. >> it's older and they want a candidate on some of these issues that they are dealing with, whether it's medicare for all. they want a candidate who is, you know, a bit more centered. now that may not appeal to younger voters who may want to go a little bit harder to the left. but that might be enough for someone to get 30% and win the nomination. >> you know, it is interesting in this same interview with jonathan capeh...

Dnc spokesperson said. if you are a few months before the iowa caucuses and can't get 130,000 donors and can't crack 2% in a couple of polls, that's on you. there's an appetite to start being able to focus on the candidates who have demonstrated the most movement in this race. >> i think the big thing that democratic voters want to see is electability. whether or not whoever they nominate can beat donald trump. if you're not on that debate stage, how do you make that electability argument. it gets tough if you can't get those numbers up in the polls and cross those donor thresholds it gets har...