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Struggle session with tucker carlson. and now, he is saying we can't even call it an insurrection, let alone terrorism. that is the opposite evolution. that's particularly pathetic but it's not surprising because, hey, ted cruz. >> i mean, they have to know -- ted cruz has to know when it comes out of his mouth, you know, it was an insurrection. what else are you going to call it? stuart, describing january 6th, though, as legitimate political discourse -- why -- why was this a bridge too far for some in the gop? i mean, we have had so much that happened. a lot of them are still saying the ele...

Those states would decertify the election. >> do you realize you are describing a coup? >> no. i totally reject many of your premises there. >> you say, quote, pence refused to take my repeated phone calls about election irregularities despite a direct request from president trump to do so. what was your vision that you would get pence to do that which trump couldn't get him to do? >> i simply wanted to brief mike on what i had found. i had what we called the receipts, and that's all the conversation -- >> was it wrong to try to overturn the election to keep trump in office? >> no, not legally...

Results along with all but eight of their colleagues in the senate. if you're talking about a clear litmus test, that's one vote you can directly point to. it's hard not to see if donald trump does run again and when he is choosing his running mate, that embrace of the big lie not becoming a litmus test and test for his eventual running mate. >> that's the whole reason that mike pence -- we're not even talking about mike pence because mike pence would not embrace a crucial part of the big lie, although not all of it. the crucial part being his supposed role in overturning the election results....

>> i think it's really showing the radicalization of the base of the republican party, of my party, when so many of them, an overwhelming majority of them, use this issue of whether 2020 election was stolen or not as a determination of whether they're going to support a candidate or not. all these candidates are clearly responding to their electorate in their primary and you see it not just in texas, but you're seeing it across the country. >> and across the country, in your state as well, i mean some of the top g.o.p. tancandidates the primary race for governor are major trump supporters, hav...

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