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President itself wants to do the interview and its only his lawyers holding him back. So what is really going on here . Does the president want to talk or not . Politico suggests the answer is yes. Despite the risks. Thats because of, quote, trumps belief in his selfcreated myth, that he can convince anyone of anything if hes simply given the opportunity to get them in a room alone. Apparently that includes Special Counsel bob mueller himself. I want to bring in nbcs Peter Alexander whos live in berkeley heights, new jersey. Peter, if the president really wants to do it, he could just say yes....

All to justify a fool's impulse. here to discuss some of our favorite reporters and friends, former cia director john brennan, aaron brake, kim atkins, and eli stockles. i first heard this bar lel to ath authoritarianism, that if you must pressure the people in congress to pass legislation, you simply reach for the afortarians tool box. and you do it by emergency declaration. it o sounded like a reach, but it makes sense now. >> i think trump has been reaching in in terms of delegitimatizing the press. trying to control the

Investigations. those two new memos come after tuesday's memo about former trump national security adviser michael flynn. in which the special counsel recommended no jail time. citing flynn's substantial cooperati cooperation. joining me now, white house reporter for the los angeles times, eli stockles. former federal prosecutor glen kersner. and msnbc contributor barbara mcquaid. we should remind our audience it was michael flynn's lawyer months ago who said if given the opportunity, michael flynn, has a story to tell. your new op-ed, i love the title. mueller sends a message to targets. be a...

He's doing it exactly for the wrong reasons. >> he's going to take the security clearance away which obviously plays to those guy's debates. the president is lying too. eli, how problematic is it that the president basically admitted that the russia investigation was the motivation? >> i don't know how problematic it is politically because everything is so hardened in terms of partisanship and he's been telling people comey and all are all to get him for a long time. brennan's been a vocal critic which is why his clearance was revoked. the president, as you pointed out, this is a distraction. ...

Obstruct justice. i don't think the muller team is going to be satisfied because that's precisely what they're looking for. they need to go beyond exactly what was said to determine exactly what he was thinking. >> so a.b., let me go back to this whole idea of president trump and what he wants and what's likely to happen here. this whole idea that he simply has to get somebody in a room and he can convince them of anything, where does that take him in terms of the robert mueller investigation? >> well, i think what eli was laying out is there's two things. that is true that he does believe, as...