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On res sparts with not many left are worse and more dangerous for our country than do-nothing democrats. watch out for them. they are human scum. these are both service members who have devoted -- >> he didn't mention them by name. >> he talked about never trumpers, but then he also called vindman a never trumper, which if you connect those dots, which he is doing, he's saying that they are human scum. is that appropriate? >> he didn't call those -- >> he called them never trumpers. >> here's what i'll say. i would never disparage the patriotism or the public service of lieutenant colonel vind...

Son hunter. the white house did not outright deny it omitted another reference to biden and because chairman schiff has kept the sham hearings secret and excludedet counsel from the roo we cannot confirm whether lieutenant colonel vindman made any false claim. what we can confirm he never suggested filling any words at any points where elip cease appeared in the transcript. and tim morrison, known as a conservative hawk is set to testify in theco impeachment inquiry later today. accordingin to testimony from earlier this month, from america's top diplomat in ukraine, ambassador william taylo...

Appalled i was at the pernicious attacks on him last night on fox. the suggestion that because he's of ukrainian origin he has dual loyalty. this purple heart recipient deserved petter than that scandalous attack. >> let's discuss now. joining me now. good to have you all on. frank, let's start with you. we want to talk about the new reporting that cnn and the "new york times" it's vindman told investigators president trump referenced tapes of joe biden talking about ukraine corruption during that july 25 phone call. it happened at the point of the transcript that contains the third set of e l...

House itself released. joining us now charlie savage, washington correspondent "new york times" and mary harris host of a podcast, what next, and barbara mcquade, former u.s. attorney and msnbc legal analyst. let's get to your paper's reporting on. >> this the second whistle-blower. what more potentially can you tell us about the second whistle-blower? >> i can't tell you more about who the person is other than what we've reported but i can talk a little bit about the significance of this. i think that one, clearly, this person is already cooperating insofar as they are talking to the intellig...