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They're in the military and they're part of this country's entire diversity. and they want to be a part of their own families. and they're more traditional than you realize. >> so then began the battle you're still battling which is with conservatives. >> yeah. i think the great disappointment, the great disappointment is that this was a really in some ways a conservative argument. this was a minority group seeking responsibility, commitment, pooling resources. if you're a couple and something happens to one of you, you have someone else to take care of you, not the government. there's a reall...

Which is, you know, we do have this new emergent population. how do we integrate them? how do we make them part? i don't want us to have a separate but equal institution of civil unions, and that was the big threat. and then bush, when he actually endorsed a federal marriage amendment, suddenly the entire gay establishment were like, okay, we're with you. it was like -- >> if bush is against it, we were for it. >> yes, bush -- i would like to say that my arguments or whatever, evans brilliant strategy really persuaded the gay community. but no, i thin george bush by endorsing the most unbeliev...