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Being like everyone else gives you this boost of empathy and i'm so thankful for that. i don't know what it would be like if i didn't have that but i just feel like it puts me in this position to trust and understand and believe people that they are going through whatever they say they are going through. >> i agree with you on the empathy thing. it is -- >> huge. >> otherwise i feel like i would be -- you know, i'm privileged in many ways but at least it's allowed me a different way of seeing things which is beneficial. do -- i need to ask you about the president's stuff. so when -- okay. i wa...

And obviously a lot of friends i know and people i know how much struggle there is and just in my own life, i'm not -- i feel like i'm not affected by homophobia. it's there and i feel it in part of my everyday day life and having that perspective of not being like everyone else gives you this boost of empathy and i'm so thankful for that. i don't know what it would be like if i didn't have that but i just feel like it puts me in this position to trust and understand and believe people that they are going through whatever they say they are going through. >> i agree with you on the empathy thin...

And, you know, on the issue of ann couture, you say on white house messaging, that's a gift to president trump. >> when she says that. >> when she says that. and, you know, he doesn't have to go full triangulation of bill clinton, but, you know, what my former boss used to tell me is you know you're doing something right when both sides are criticizing you. the far right and the far left. he's got a place here, but he seems so intent on either pleasing his base or so afraid of disappointing his base, and that's a characteristic of the whole presidency. that he only seems to govern for the peop...

, who could see their information, friends or friends or friends or actually third party app they will have problems and as i said before the ftc, congress this could go on for some time. neil: i think you're right. you know, heather having covered a lot of this over many years, and gary b. would remind folks decades, i notice too, a man or woman in the technology industry they're geniuses they have to be but they they're big on the iq, as i was saying during the break but not on the eq, not big on the empathy thing, because they're that smart but they forget because there was an exception to ...

And i'm tired of it. >> bullying. that's a reference to the president of the united states. >> it's a direct reference, and from someone we don't hear talking all that much. i think those words will resonate, at least with some. not perhaps with the president's base, who of course are no fan of john mccain. >> that's the thing. if after a talk with the family he couldn't hold his promise to not do these kinds of things, it's unlikely that he'll stop doing this. it's almost like he can't help himself. it goes back to the empathy thing. he seems to lack an empathy gene. john mccain is battling c...