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Couldn't match obama's power. in bucks county, pennsylvania, didn't even win the state. so crowd size alone is not sufficient to win the white house. is it nevertheless a good yard stick? joining me now to discuss is douglas brinkley, a presidential historian, professor of history at rice university, author most recently of "american moonshot: john f. kennedy and the great space race." douglas, put this all in some historical context? >> well, at the beginning of the 20th century, william mckinley who was a two-term president he had what he called his front porch campaign. he would just sit in...

Incentive. i don't think the president is a shoe-in for reelection. this is going to be a tough fight. the enthusiasm factor and what we started talking about the president and people are clearly fired up. we have to remember theid president's opponents are fired up as well. the election and the security. usually 85 million show at mid tell. you have over 110 million people vote. we're going to shatter the records. >> i completely agree. it is going to be all about turnout. and that rally was incredibly oppressive like all trump rallies are. they can't turn that number out. on election day as ...

Democrat and he won. look, i don't think the president is a shoe in for reelection. this will be a 50-50 race. the enthusiasm factor is huge. the president's people are fired up. the president's opponents are fired up just as well. the 2018 election, usually 85 million people. you had over 110-million people vote. we will shatter records in 2020. >> laura: i agree. it will be all about turnout. that rally was impressive like all of trump's rallies are. democrats can't turn that number out. on election day and the roll up to election day, because we have early voting, there will be a massive pu...

Re-election. >> joe crowley, we'll end with you in the minutes we have left. how should democrats best benefit from the president's lack of message discipline, given everything that jeremy just said? >> well, he is so undisciplined, this is not the first time. the lesson is, he's going to mess up. hoof and mouth disease is part of this presidency. so i think that will continue. i think democrats just need to be prepared to work as hard as they possibly can. i do believe that the base of the president's support is going to be there. and i think the enthusiasm factor for them will still be there...

Presence, i think especially now folks are kind of, you know, trump just last week talking about himself as a nationalist and most folks understand what white nationalism is. georgia has a history of white nationalist violence, i think that when you talk about a state that has a growing number of voters of color where voters of color, especially black voters vote in huge blocks when you turn up that intensity factor, the enthusiasm factor, which is what president obama's presence will do tomorrow, which is what oprah winfrey's presence will do today, which is what michael b. jordan's presence ...