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Were very sad failures. >> another program you were involved with was a hostage program? >> i was a crisis negotiator for the eou team, the emergency operations unit. >> what did you do? >> i was a crisis negotiator. >> what does that mean? >> we would go out on barricaded subjects or without with the s.w.a.t. team would be the easiest way to describe it on warrants. we would respond to calls where there may be people in danger. >> and was your job to try and negotiate with the subject and get him to submit to being arrested? >> yes, he or she. >> was that your main job? >> no, i was always a ...

0 >> where's that at? >> he's currently stationed in florida. >> and your other son, where is he at? >> he's in college in north dakota. >> are they going to be home for the holidays? >> yes, they will. >> is your mother in the courtroom? >> yes. >> and your sister? >> no, she's not. >> but is your brother in the courtroom. >> yes, he is. >> and besides your brother and your mother, your father is deceased? >> yes. >> and do you have any other siblings? >> i have another sister and a brother. >> what do they -- do you know what their ages are? >> my oldest sister is in her 50s and my other bro...