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Other things they may look at with regard to the finances. but what you're seeing here is donald trump run into the checks and balances that come with divided government. and you are going to see an epic conflict between the executive and congress. and it's going to be fascinating to watch. the president's going to be playing to the base as he did this weekend. and the danger, of course, is that we've all become a bit numb to it. that there's a normalization from it. from the president's speech over the weekend, over two hours long, any number of those sound bites would previously have dominat...

So consequential, as all supreme court nominations are. this is the president's second pick in as many years, this is 62 days ahead of the midterms in a hyperpartisan environment. how much of today will be about getting to the nuts and bolts and getting into the mind of judge brett kavanaugh and how much will be about grandstanding? >> i think this is such an epic conflict both sides will play to the public. the republicans will present this folksy appealing figure and talking about his family the night he was announced was appealing, that rollout was well done but the democrats will say look ...

President trump's policy of separating families at the border is causing an epic conflict and between right and wrong. let's get after it and test the arguments. joining us for a great debate, catherine rampell and stephen moore, thank you both for being available on a friday night. >> which president trump should i listen to. let me play you two pieces of sound from this same week. >> we're signing an executive order. i consider a very important order about keeping families together but that's only limited. no matter how you cut it, it leads to separation ultimately. >> which is it? i signed ...

In georgia. this is a potential epic conflict between us and them. what the u.s. is doing, i think pretty well, give the obama administration credit, trying to get ukraine to a place where they don't force putin to make these decisions, getting the imf involved, getting the opposition to unify, getting this legal. the de-escalation that susan rice talked about is the core to our strategy done as effectively as we can. >> helene, i was struck by josh marchell in the talking points memo blog this week where he took on the idea this is a cold war again. he basically said stop it. russia doesn't m...

The imf, role of the u.s. all matters right now. >> i just think, too, as i think why this matters, it is ultimately about the united states and russia, but it's the also about what america stands for in the rest of the world, david. what is our voice? what is the president's voice? is it a foreign policy that's defined by its limitations or by its potential? and you look at, you know, this democratic fer meant on the streets. it's not just happening there, but lots of parts of the world. >> we've got a big test coming up. the crucial battlefield is in putin's mind. he's seen an autocrat fall ...