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gonzalez. this is consuming our society. what is it? our second guest former lieutenant governor of new york, betsy mccoy, right now a few weeks ago, biden administration triggered the destruction of the suburbs and ex burbs, we need to get into this but first "new york times," prosecutor seek trump lawyer testimony, suggesting evidence of crime says that justice department -- >> this i may say mark for god's sake my eyes are glazing over, no, this is a fundamental right, have you ever had a lawyer, any case, you might want day. and and are your communications with that lawyer going ...

Equit equity? >> over the last 40 years, the public employee unions have had the playing field tipped their way. and through binding arbitration and many other mechanisms that have been available to the public employee unions, they just have eaten up every budget at every level of government in the state. that needs to change. that's what governor walker and the republican legislature is trying to do right now in wisconsin. >> senator, look, thanks for coming on. we'll continue this one small point. i don't disagree with you about some of the binding arbitration clauses. i'm with you on that. ...