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Wheel to let it happen, but we have to find a way to still, to make it it work. and if we have to work within the frame work of the affordable health care act, fine. if we can find a way to defund it, fine. if -- you know, but we have to find more efficient ways. think about this, 80% of the encounters between a patient and a health care provider could easily be handled by a health savings account. 80% of the encounter, without the need to insinuate a third party or a bureaucracy at these a third of the money. there are ways we can do this. we can use bridge insurance and catastrophic insuranc...

A fair and equitiable way, have you heard that before? what they didn't realize is that all those names that i just said, instead of, like the land barons of europe hoarding the money and passing it down from generation to generation, instead they built the infrastructure of this nation, they put in the trans continental railroad, built factories and textile mills and built the mechanism that created the most powerful and dynamic middle class which took us to the pinnacle, built universities and museums and charitable organizations because that has been the nature of america. we've always been...

Where i think that the republican party, nobody's going to be asking anybody in the republican party or conservative movement to say for electoral purposes you really ought to abandoned these long-held views of yours, things that you hold dear as sort of core principles, but at the same time there is he' a way to encourage and invite a discussion about these issues and to say to people who might favor same-sex marriage because they believe it would strengthen the family, come and be part of this big coalition that we, as a conservative movement, have. >> gregg: steven hayes, appreciate your in...

Conservative support. you can go back and look at 1994, the republican revolution happened because of conservatives. you can go back and look at 1980, 1984. the times when republicans have done the best electorally has been when they've been conservative and unapologetic about it. i'll say there are times when republicans should make clear that they are not being sort of exclusionary, when they're making their arguments. i would say some of the rhetoric on immigration, for instance, in 2012 had that effect. may have been fair, may not have been fair, but there is he' no question that it had th...

Particular gay marriage, here is why, america seems to be shifting on that subject and in fact, senator rob partman, his new found support of gay marriage because his son is gay, is happening right during cpac, where it is somewhat controversial. and by the way, just as the u.s. supreme court is considering an important gay marriage case. so is this an issue that the party could make a change and help itself? >> well, look, i mean, i think that people who have long-held principles about traditional marriage are unlikely to change and i think that gay marriage, other people have said this befor...