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The whole package. >> right, i had him on a radio show yesterday. give a very robust defense of the things that the administration did. his focus -- on the full autobiography from when he was a kid. but there is whole sections on defending what they did. i think it comes down to a character issue. he is a man of deep faith. i think after january 6th he couldn't sustain some sort of lie that the election was stolen 2020. that began a pretty strong diversion to trump on character issues. >> eric, i mean, do you think mike pence would have a shot? >> you know, i think if people want, if they want...

>> i see this a little differently, i think there is a very narrow lane for mike pence. so i still believe that the inability will they switch a spin for decades and one of the most powerful elements of the republican base is larger than the election denier race. so if he runs on the good policies he's proud, of the trump administration, but critiques the lies on the bad policies, which i know firsthand that he was instrumental in reversing some of the most harmful like family separations, a muslim ban and others. is able to definitively tell that story. there is kind of a better angels lane t...