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Former GOP representative Joe Scarborough and Mika Brezinski interview newsmakers, politicians and pundits about the issues of the day. Former GOP representative Joe Scarborough and Mika Brezinski interview newsmakers, politicians and pundits about the issues of the day. Days before according to the leak, he says there was a meeting with donald junior, with Jared Kushner, with Paul Manafort, with yates and possibly two others in which they, out of the presence of the president discussed the meeting with the russians. We checked with their lawyers. The ones we could check with which was four of...

Up, and donald trump has been vilified, he is public enemy number one, and they are coming out in droves, looking, not committing, i think there's very few commitments so far but there are a lot of folks looking and shopping right now. >> and when you say it's interesting, your perspective having been there, the size of the crowds being so incredible, mark, one of the things, though, as rick said, public enemy number one to democrats is donald trump and here's what one of the voters said about that. >> why is every room packed that i go to. >> trump. we want to get rid of trump. >> mark, is it...

But now we really do essentially know that he has. and so they can go, as rick said, and chuck said, to try to reverse this policy or they can issue essentially their own report to congress and let congress do whatever it's going to do. >> my argument is not that it's not the policy. it obviously is the policy. my argument is -- >> it's a crummy policy. >> it says if the president can't be indicted because it's so important what he does, and modern 20th century presidency was so difference from the 18th century that the framers couldn't imagine, the framers also couldn't imagine donald trump i...

It didnoesn't appear the presid of the united states objects to the way rudy giuliani defends him. remember during the stormy daniels payment story of a couple months ago giuliani told a couple different versions of that story. he's the kind of guy, new york guy that creates this fog machine that donald trump likes. >> right, exactly. it's unclear whether there's any coordination going on outside of donald trump and giuliani. i think giuliani mentioned he had discussed this potential story leaking with jay sekulow who was a tv lawyer going out and being the pr person for the president last yea...

Happening in this white house, to try to understand what's happening in this world, to try and get closer to the facts? >> you're right. giuliani is totally unhinged. he has been for a while. what he's doing, as rick said, is undermining the case so badly that i don't know why they are allowing it. there's no control at the white house. it's not just the press briefing, the chief of staff, general kelly, these are probably people who would like to reassert control but can't. on the final point i'll make is we really have to give respect to bob mueller at the moment. robert mueller, despite all...