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National committee servers which are the key evidence in the case. >> laura: and you also point out in your piece that they based -- when rod rosenstein -- he basically panicked and called for a special counsel. he was freaking out that the democrats on capitol hill were asking questions. instead of answering questions, he panicked and appoints mueller. mueller is facing his investigation with rosenstein on the contacts with russia, which during a campaign, as you point out, that's not a big deal. most campaigns have some contacts with russia. it's the second question, which is the operative o...

Examination of the democratic national committee servers which are the key evidence in the case. >> laura: and you also point out in your piece that they based -- when rod rosenstein -- he basically panicked and called for a special counsel. he was freaking out that the democrats on capitol hill were asking questions. instead of answering questions, he panicked and appoints mueller. mueller is facing his investigation with rosenstein on the contacts with russia, which during a campaign, as you point out, that's not a big deal. most campaigns have some contacts with russia. it's the second ques...

That, i want to point to this sound bite from president obama in december, watch this. >> what is it about our political system that made us vulnerable to these kinds of potential manipulations, which is exit publicly before, we are not particularly sophisticated. this was not some elaborate complicated espionage scheme. >> martha: a friend of the emails, but now it turns out that he knew that these were actually much more powerful incursions than anybody thought. >> karl: thought that we ought to be focused on, 39 states whose election systems -- of the russians attempted to hack them. this i...

Manipulations which, as i've said publicly before, were not particularly sophisticated. this was not some elaborate complicated espionage scheme. they hacked into some democratic party e-mails that contained pretty routine stuff, some of it embarrassing or uncomfortable because i suspect that if any of us got our e-mails hacked into there might be some things we wouldn't want suddenly appearing on the front page of a newspaper or a telecast even if there wasn't anything particularly illegal or controversial about it. and then it just took off. and that concerns me, and it should concern all of...

Sophisticated. this was not some elaborate, complicated espionage scheme. they hacked into some democratic party e-mails that contained pretty routine stuff, some of it embarrassing or uncomfortable because i suspect if any of us got our e-mails hacked into there might be some things we wouldn't want suddenly appearing ton the front page of a newspaper or tell -- telecast, even if there weren't anything illegal or comfort below it. then -- controversial about it. and then it just took off and that concerns me and should concern all of us. but the truth of the matter is that everybody had the i...