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Sound bites without solutions and start discussing how we will make the country better for all if a conservative is elected president. >> former texas governor rick perry dropping out of the race today. what about that? we're back with the panel, jonah? >> you think it's something of a shame. if this rick perry had run in 2012, we might be looking at the end of his first term as president. he mailed it in the first time around and he never recovered from the damage he did to his reputation from that. you think he did husband homework this tomb and i think it's kind of a shame. >> kirsten? >> y...

Sound bites without solutions and start discussing how we will make the country better for all if a conservative is elected president. >> former texas governor rick perry dropping out of the race today. what about that? we're back with the panel, jonah? >> you think it's something of a shame. if this rick perry had run in 2012, we might be looking at the end of his first term as president. he mailed it in the first time around and he never recovered from the damage he did to his reputation from that. you think he did husband homework this tomb and i think it's kind of a shame. >> kirsten? >> y...

There are people who are nervous about her being able to close the deal. and so they look for another -- >> look at joe. >> -- another establishment candidate. >> we have an advantage. watching biden do what he did. i was standing out there with al roker at the last inaugural break. and he does this. he just loves contact. he loves the physical connection with regular people. i don't think it's even ideological or political. >> no, it's not. >> he wants to physically hold people. >> in many ways he's the opposite of clinton in that way. >> i think so. >> her people are now talking about how we...

>> -- another establishment candidate. >> we have an advantage. watching biden do what he did. i was standing out there with al everyone loves the picture i posted of you. roker at the last inaugural break. and he does this. he just loves contact. he loves the physical connection at&t reminds you it can wait. with regular people. i don't think it's even ideological or political. >> no, it's not. >> he wants to physically hold i take prilosec otc each morning for my frequent heartburn. because it gives me... people. zero heartburn! >> in many ways he's the opposite of clinton in that way. prilo...

Poll numbers. >> it is a long route, early stages. >> still have a lot of ground to cover with donald trump? >> i don't think about that, i have a lot of ground to cover to meet people in new hampshire. that's the key. >> you're making gains? >> i am going to do my best. you know, try your hardest, see what happens. better to be up than down. >> reporter: for any candidate, better to be up than down. that's definitely true in campaigns. that last part struck me, as he goes up, jeb bush is going down. they're really fighting for the same type of support here in new hampshire, the same sort of e...