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Because there are pockets, there's a conservative candidate. you are going to have the conservative who is the most am bass tick and trying to get attention. >> it's not 2004 when george w. bush was running for re-election. he came out banning same-sex marriage. it's not 2004. the dynamics have changed. no they are not going to get an easy path. it's going to be in the debates. the establishment don't want any part of it. >> another establishment candidate, we put him there, the new jersey governor chris christie. he's low in the polls at home and when you look at what republicans want. chris ...

Leadership. >> right, but he's not a guy who is running as an establishment candidate. there are ways in which he's ticked people off including some of the colleagues on his side of the aisle, part of what attracted all this media attention. after all the guy has only been in the senate two years. it's not a disqualification. look what a national figure he's become. >> and when he was getting criticism over the government shutdown episode, he was getting standing room only applause people standing on their feet in texas. he was building a movement. >> and in- think this speaks to the fact that...

An establishment candidate. >> and the question is about ron paul fair to the point that you share a well-known last name you have access to a fundraising network. >> it's always fair to ask about an issue and if people want to emphasize how the issue either agrees or disagrees with a member of your family so be it. but frankly if i have to go 20 minutes and you ask me to go through every issue i agree or disagree with my dad i don't think it's that entertaining and i'll probably just answer what i'm for. and people can make their judgment. but not everybody agrees with their parents on every ...

Happen but that's an interesting thought. the idea there's going to be 15 conservatives and one of them is going to beat whoever that establishment candidate is maybe christie, maybe bush, i think it's ludzicrous. it's not going to happen. >> the conventional wisdom on hillary clinton is she had a bad 2014. well, let me just make the case. dead broke before -- when they left the white house. corporations don't create jobs. you have to empathize with your enemy. can she raise the level of her game? >> i would say hillary had a very good year. if you look at end-of-year polls where if she had a ...

Thought. the idea there's going to be 15 conservatives and one of them is going to beat whoever that establishment candidate is maybe christie, maybe bush, i think it's ludzicrous. it's not going to happen. >> the conventional wisdom on hillary clinton is she had a bad 2014. well, let me just make the case. dead broke before -- when they left the white house. corporations don't create jobs. you have to empathize with your enemy. can she raise the level of her game? >> i would say hillary had a very good year. if you look at end-of-year polls where if she had a really bad year and is still beat...