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The ones who the media thinks are crazy like ronald reagan, they win 49 states. i think we can all agree with ted cruz that an establishment candidate in 2016, what seems to be the safe way forward probably not the safe way forward if washington thinks it's the right thing to do with 90% approval ratings. >> isn't the split not so much -- ted cruz said candidates picked in d.c., you know, who won't rock the boat. but isn't it candidates selected in washington, people in washington, politicians in washington looking for a winner, not someone who won't rock the boat. you have to have someone who...

Party that sends to be evangelical. what does he have walking into that iowa caucus or new hampshire primary? what does he have the others don't? >> an establishment candidate who rich people love who looks like he could take on hillary clinton and beat her and talk about an anti-washington message. >> you know, i agree that he has an anti-washington message. that's the best thing you can say. an anti-washington message and anti-washington climate. but i -- >> how do you run anti-washington when your biggest name idea is your scandal? >> but i disagree with you. and take the romney example. he...

Right now. here is a big heavyset guy from new jersey with an ethnic name. trying to run in a southern party, as you pointed out, in a party that sends to be evangelical. what does he have walking into that iowa caucus or new hampshire primary? what does he have the others don't? >> an establishment candidate who rich people love who looks like he could take on hillary clinton and beat her and talk about an anti-washington message. >> you know, i agree that he has an anti-washington message. that's the best thing you can say. an anti-washington message and anti-washington climate. but i -- >> ...

Look, he can skip iowa. he can win iowa in a fractured field. he can raise so much money and have a superpac in iowa that he wins iowa. with the possible exception of jeb bush, i don't see anybody else today dish. >> what has he got? define for the person watching right now. here is a big heavyset guy from new jersey with an ethnic name. in a party that sends to be evangelic evangelical. what does he have walking into that iowa caucus or new hampshire primary? what does he have the others don't? >> an establishment candidate who rich people love who looks like he could take on hillary clinton ...

After the budget and all these fights we've had, there's this narrative that the tea party has been domesticated, defeated, rendered less powerful. it strikes me how much power the base still has over the party. you just do not see these level of politicians coming to kind of get the blessing of the left base. i wish, gosh, we lived in that world, but we don't. it seems to me it still is the case the base really has a grip on the party. >> well, the base certainly does have a grip on the party. you think of what chris christie was rolling out there today. he wasn't talking about guns. he wasn'...