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Alternative to an establishment candidate. he was the outsider. he was the new flavor. this time around, bernie is the old model, right? there are plenty of new shinier models to choose from, all of which are basically occupying the same policy space as him. so it's a much different feel. it's a much different dynamic for bernie. we've seen his poll numbers take a hit because of that. there are too many other options out there for a lot of these democratic candidates who like his message, but they're finding it in these different candidates. we'll see what happens. whether he's able to sort of...

Particularly with black women. and in order to win. if they don't do that, they're not going to win. >> how about the biden factor, rick? if he gets officially into the race, how does he change things up? >> i'm not a democrat. the way i see it, normally in the democratic party and the republican party you have the establishment and on the left would be the versus the progressive wing of the party. what's happening in this cycle actually i think is an rang to the establishment candidate like a bernie sanders, like an klobuchar who is eschewing the progressive wing of the partybe bucket, if you...

Certainly in terms of the identity politics spectrum it's really interesting. it's a really diverse group. who are you keeping an eye on? >> identity politics, there will be races within the race. there will be a race for who can come up as the traditional moderate candidate, a race among the women. there are five women in. there will be a race amongst the people of color which will play out in different states at different times. i think the field is -- the one surprise so far is the white males are dropping out at a much quicker pace than people of color or -- >> what do you mean? >> just de...

What will be interesting and this relates to what mike said, how he continues to do it with tens or more of democratic candidates who will join her in this race. >> one of the things that make this moment so notable is what we are witnessing is this debate within the democratic party. what will the identity be? will they take a more progressive path to the nomination to the white house or will they choose a more establishment candidate? talk about the tension there. obviously, you have covered every single move of former vice president, joe biden, who in a recent iowa poll is the front-runner....

What i said was they shouldn't pick an establishment candidate, a so-called electable candidate. i said nothing about ideology. what they need is a barack obama in many 2008. a bill dplont 1clinton in 1992, exciting new face capable of galvanizing the electorate. it's called the challenge erl ca ris mao key, the only key under the control of the challenging party. if you're a democrat, let's not make the mistake of deciding who you think is electable and picking again a dukakis, a kerry, a gore a clinton. >> i love the keys to the white house. i've got to jump in for one second. we now have a ...