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In a 15-candidate field, it's easier to lead in the polls. donald trump, i would argue, has made himself even more unacceptable in a two-way race than ever before. >> what's the job approval of the u.s. congress right now, perry? >> it's not very high. >> it's 9%. so he's getting criticized by the leader of 9%. just to put that in perspective. i think the establishment has hardly any credibility, in either party. your thoughts? >> i disagree. hillary clinton is walking the nomination because she has the establishment support. i think this notion that the establishment has no power and no contr...

Donald trump support is much broader within the republican party. a lot of moderates and even liberals within the republican party supporting trump. but it does suggest that the south is becoming solid again. i mean, kentucky was really one of the last holdouts where democrats really competed statewide in the south. and now it seems republicans not just in that governor's race lut bm across the board did really, really well yesterday in kentucky. >> i want to allow our viewers to take another look at this quinnipiac poll that just came out because there's some interesting poll numbers included...

He remains far behind. most of the field, especially his chief rival for establishment support, rubio. ben carson's favorability has declined from a net positive of 63% last month to 45 points now while donald trump has dropped from a positive 18 points to just 6. >> let's start with new hampshi hampshire, sam stein. it seems like a lot of movement ujds neath. in the last debate carly fiorina jump up. now kasich. rubio. again, one and two -- for carson to be number 2 in new hampshire, that's amazing. >> that's crazy. carson doesn't translate as well as iowa. i have one thing. i think immigrati...

Call in later when there's an ability to consolidate that establishment support. i do think there's been a real swing in that support from jeb toward marco rubio. but if the rules have all been thrown out in this campaign and the establishment candidate is not going to be able to bring along the voters like they did in the last few campaigns, all that stuff won't matter. i think the other thing missing from this campaign is mitt romney. people forget mitt romney was actually really good at a lot of aspects of politics. he was never super charismatic but he was very on point in debates, he was ...

I mean, this is counter to all the narratives we hear. this week it's marco rubio but you look and it's ben carson getting 50% of the vote. >> yes, so it's 52% when you add it together the support for donald trump and ben carson, then you have ted cruz even though he's a u.s. senator, obviously not an establishment candidate. and people say, well, it's been like this before. herman cain led the polls in 2012. the combined totals for the candidates are so high and the combined totals for the establishment candidates are so low. i do think there's a correct thing in the narrative which is there ...