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>> i think really headline is if joed bien does get in the race that hurts hillary clinton more than bernie sanders. her lead with biden in the field is seven. when you remove joe biden her lead is 15 points. you can see joe biden says he'll not run. you'd end up seeing more establishment support for hillary clinton. her numbers would start to go up. if you have a three-person race, that's makes it a much closer contest. so i think it will move. political world continues to watch for joe biden. does he make his move? a lot of respects, it needs to come very soon for him to put on a credible ca...

We know he's had over time an affinity with senator marco rubio. they joked about being running mates and we've seen some of walker's supporters make early leaps already to support marco rubio. to have him say this is what all these others would do. it's obviously pressure that he, himself, felt. that because of the fragmentation of the establishment support and republicans who could be pulled away by republican sent him to the bottom of the pack. to have him talk so personally about how he felt trump was inflicting those personal attacks. walker was on the sharp end of some of trump's most po...

The public, at least half doesn't like you. so i wouldn't put -- to me, it wouldn't be enough if i were joe biden that he's got moderately better numbers than hillary clinton at this point. what i would be looking for is when we start to see major politicians say hillary clinton's damaged goods, we need someone new, that's the moment when a joe biden candidacy becomes viable. >> you call him an insurance policy. i will say, you just said when, you didn't say if this happens to hillary clinton. >> i don't see -- look, there are some issues on the horizon for her but so far, i do not see anythin...

Times" and jonathan alter. thank you both for being with me tonight. >> thanks for having me. >> hi. >> jonathan, who is clinton worried about more? sanders or biden? >> you know, to tell you the truth, i don't think she is hugely worried about either one. i think she feels like she would beat either one of them. her establishment support, which is important to getting the nomination is not collapsing in light of biden's possible run. in other words, the fundraisers and the key supporters are not saying oh, i'm getting wobbly on hilary, i might go with joe biden. usually, when you get into the...

Non-politician character that people seem to like. >> monica i'll pick up on jeb bush. one would argue, even with trump in the lead in the polls, with the establishment support, that jeb bush may be structurally the front runner in this race. i have to say, sitting there on the stage with him, i thought he had a kind of tepid performance and faded a little into the background. do you agree or no? >> i totally agree, chris. as i was watching last night, i thought i could physically see him receding on the stage. he's a very intelligent man. he gave a fine and respectful performance. but given t...