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Right. yesterday the obama administration released 100 pages of e-mails describing the interagency debate over how to describe last year's september 11 attack. the e-mails show that cia deputy director mike morell was the individual who requested references to al qaeda and other extremist groups be removed from the official talking points, not white house officials as some republicans have suggested. so that is more information shedding light on the benghazi situation and what was going on inside the white house. >> to donnie's point i think republicans want all roads to lead back to the white...

Question is, years from now, what will it all be looked back as? i will say the implications i see land squarely on the irs story. and i still don't see the right person being fired here. i see someone symbolically being fired. >> right. >> which is great. the president getting out in front of this and taking the person at the top who bears the ultimate responsibility where the buck stops with the irs has got to go. i understand. where are the other people? where are the people who are involved? they're going to go, too. i want to see that happen quickly. there are some that were really absolu...

Ball game but then they react and claim this was always the way we were going to handle this all along. but i think that they, you know, the president at least had a list of issues that he was going to do with the irs. how to tackle this. i think he's got to stay on it. >> can i say -- >> here is the issue. >> yeah. >> if this becomes a bigger problem then he's going to have a harder time getting health care implemented, a harder time getting immigration reform. it gets at root of the rest of his -- >> isn't it going to become a bigger problem until a lot more people are fired? >> absolutely. ...

The president and the white house yet. so if you are sitting at home and watching this, all unfold, and people are saying, well this is worse than watergate, he's corrupt. there becomes a disconnect. that's what privately republicans are cautioning their members. back off. put a sock in it. calm down. let's do the hearings and see where it leads and see who knew what was happening at the irs, see what was happening at justice and not get ahead of the story. there is always a temptation to get ahead of the story. >> michael crowley in the storm of this last week or so as the three of these cont...

Albeit through an aggressive interpretation. it's a policy dispute. it is not a scandal. the president had nothing to do with that. so i tend to think that the more people kind of digest this information, break it down, particularly now with benghazi, i think the e-mails are furthering the case that there is just not that much there, i think this is going to dissipate. i think the irs thing is going to hang around for a while. there are going to be hearings. more heads could roll. you know, at the end of the day though what this does is just chews up media oxygen and prevents the president fro...