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Me we haven't had a candid conversation p about bernie sanders. we've seen his dip in the numbers. even a stalwart supporter of his admitted to us last week that he shouted his way through that last debate and came off as a bit of a scold perhaps so the biden campaign feels better, i guess, about them vis-a-vis bernie but they do see the excitement deficit between them and warren. >> yeah, that's right. the two pieces of evolving conventional wisdom that have really started to harden, one is reinforced by our own poll on the. one is that elizabeth warren is the candidate of enthusiasm and mome...

That's what could flip the election. >> mike memoli, it also strikes me we haven't had a candid conversation about bernie sanders. we've seen his dip in the numbers. even a stalwart supporter of his admitted to us last week that he shouted his way through that last debate and came off as a bit of a scold perhaps so the biden campaign feels better, i guess, about them vis-á-vis bernie. but they do see the excitement deficit between them and warren. >> yeah, that's right, brian i mean the two pieces of evolving conventional wisdom that have really started to harden, one is really reinforced by ...

Me, we haven't had a candid conversation about bernie sanders. we have seen his dip in the numbers, even a stallworth supporter of his admitted to his last week that he shouted his way through the last debate and came off as a bit of a scold perhaps, so the biden campaign feels better, i guess, about them vis-a-vis bernie, but they do see the excitement deficit between them and warren. >> yeah, that's right, the two pieces of evolving conventional wisdom that have started to harden, one is really reinforced by our own poll tonight. one is that elizabeth warren is the candidate of enthusiasm an...