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That's what could flip the election. >> mike memoli, it also strikes me we haven't had a candid conversation about bernie sanders. we've seen his dip in the numbers. even a stalwart supporter of his admitted to us last week that he shouted his way through that last debate and came off as a bit of a scold perhaps so the biden campaign feels better, i guess, about them vis-á-vis bernie. but they do see the excitement deficit between them and warren. >> yeah, that's right, brian i mean the two pieces of evolving conventional wisdom that have really started to harden, one is really reinforced by ...

I think democrats really handed trump an advantage on the immigration issue in particular in miami when they said they were for healthcare for illegals, for not deporting anyone who is here and for decriminalizing border crossings. those are stances that are gonna come back to haunt them. >> julie: what's gonna happen to bernie? there was an article that said history has been unkind to primary runnerups polling this low of a position. here is another poll from abc talking about the best chance showing which candidates have the best chance to win an election. biden is clearly at the lead, 45%, ...

Right now. i think it's time to have a woman because a woman brings a different perspective and has a different experience of life. >> michael? >> i was for bernie in the 2016 primaries. i think he brings a lot to the table from 2016 because he now has the name recognition, he has a machine behind him that's not necessarily the same as the democratic party machines. it's not enough to just energize democrats, you need to find a candidate who can energize some of those 100 million plus people who for whatever reason is not voting. >> i'm not excited for bernie, though. >> why? >> i think he was...

Planet. >> we have got to transform our energy system away from fossil fuel to sustainable energy. pete: that's bernie. turns out senator bernie sanders is so concerned about climate change that he reportedly demanded. demanded private jets while campaigning for hillary clinton in 2016. according to the. if ec, federal election commission, sanders spent over $300,000 on private flights in the two years following the election. here to react is marc morano, the executive director of climate depot.com and the author of the politically incorrect guide to climate change. mark, thanks for being here...

You where hearts are at the moment, nobody seems to be scared out of the water by him. were he to get in, once voters learn about some of the other candidates, they're not necessarily committed to joe biden, even if they know him and like him and they associate him with obama who they love, in 2016 and in 2008, there isn't a candidate who is scaring people out of the field right now. you see also the upside of this strategy that the woman candidates have of getting in early is trying to brand themselves in the lanes that the men might want to take, right? elizabeth warren you talked about want...