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And it will also influence public opinion, especially if there's drama and if there's a rather clear pattern of the president really trying to get rid of this piece, get rid of this testimony about flynn, i want this all gone. >> yeah. i have to ask you, eric, about more reporting that you have and get your response to this, about this tweet this morning from president about carter page. he said now it's reported that the democrats who have excorps rated carter page about russia don't want him to testify. he blows away their case against him. and now he wants to clear his name by calling the m...

Oval office by jared kushner around possible financial transactions and exchanges, public policy moves in exchange for financial help for a kushner skyscraper. that's jeopardy. and all these atmospherics around well, when will they know when they are in jeopardy or how may they handle it? there is also a serious investigation of it, and i think they have to take it seriously from the beginning. >> page paid? >> i agree 100%. there is no mystery this is a criminal investigation. we have heard that the fbi is looking into russia's involvement in the last election. i kinds of disagree with mark. ...

I was with the "new york times" at the time. i had "new york times" in-house counsel, david mccraw advising in the backgrounds but then i had three crack attorneys. and they ran circles around marc kasowitz' team. i think the issue that raises now is the president has leaned back into his comfort zone and hired somebody who is has never defended someone who is the subject of a congressional investigation and mired in a special counsellor's role at the department of justice. and there's a real issue as to whether or not kasowitz is the right person for this role. >> a good question whether kaso...