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And despite the poisonous rhetoric, cities that voted for donald trump, refugees are stimulating the economy, they're running civic government, they're important civic leaders. there are two americas, but in a different way than we usually talk about. there's national politics which is so dispiriting. >> deborah, describe the journey. what exactly did you guys do? >> it wasn't 35,000 feet, it was actually 2,500 feet across the country. we were in our small plane for four to five years, not nonstop, but going from -- >> this is a tiny single prop plane. >> a little propeller plane. >> this is n...

You get the transponder. >> do we know in the communication system that let's the pilot talk to air traffic control was shut down? >> no. >> there is another piece. there was a mechanic on board the flight. >> right. a flight engineer on his way to china for assignment. he would know what is down stairs and where things are down stairs. but that is another piece... >> is this referring to this flight engineer that worked for exec jet? he works for smaller airplanes it's a well, great reputation around the area. i don't know how he would understand a triple seven. >> you're saying he can fix a ...