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took a donation of a millon pounds from the bin laden family of saudi arabia two years after osama bin laden was killed. the family disowned him in 1994. now on bbc news, it's hardtalk with stephen sackur. welcome to hardtalk. i'm stephen sackur. south africa is in a long—term flirtation with political and economic chaos. mass unemployment, power cuts and rising crime are stoking discontent and instability. my guest today isjulius malema, former anc loyalist turned populist enemy of the ruling party. could one of africa's richest nations be consumed by insurrectionist violence? jul...

my guest today isjulius malema, former anc loyalist turned populist enemy of the ruling party. could one of africa's richest nations be consumed by insurrectionist violence? julius malema in bloemfontein, south africa, welcome to hardtalk. thank you very much. mr malema, south africans are facing a very grave economic crisis. there's deep uncertainty in the country. why are you adding to that uncertainty by calling for the removal of president ramaphosa? it's the most logical thing that, when a leader of a current government doesn't perform well or the country is in a crisis, that le...

of birmingham. this is bbc news. now, it's time for hardtalk with stephen sackur. welcome to hardtalk. i'm stephen sackur. south africa is in a long—term flirtation with political and economic chaos. mass unemployment, power cuts, and rising crime are stoking discontent and instability. my guest today isjulius malema, former anc loyalist turned populist enemy of the ruling party. could one of africa's richest nations be consumed by insurrectionist violence? julius malema in bloemfontein, south africa, welcome to hardtalk. thank you very much. mr malema, south africans are facing a ...

julius malema in bloemfontein, south africa, welcome to hardtalk. thank you very much. mr malema, south africans are facing a very grave economic crisis. there's deep uncertainty in the country. why are you adding to that uncertainty by calling for the removal of president ramaphosa? it's the most logical thing that, when a leader of a current government doesn't perform well, or the country is in a crisis, that leader should leave office and give others an opportunity who can come and do a much better work. because i don't think that mr ramaphosa has got a coherent plan as to how he'...

Wrongdoing. the reason why he's been struggling to answer questions to the public protector is because he's got no answers to give. so it's not true that ramaphosa has ever denied, because to deny is to lie and to lie is another charge of perjury, that the whole president existing under oath can loosely lie. you can't quote ramaphosa here on hardtalk where he says, "i vehemently deny the allegations". he says, "i will cooperate with the investigation "authorities". he has never denied that there was something that went wrong. so, let's not say things that the man did not say — and there is n...