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Quite deferential and reluctant. it seems like there was a high water mark that was hit in which the court was pushing back against a lot of ascensions both in the secrecy front and just sort of executive authority front. a lot of that had to do we detainee treatment during the bush era. seems like the courts have been much more deferential in the last three or four years, broadly making. maybe you don't think that's the case. but it seems to me that's the way the wind are blowing. and i wonder if you think that the cultural and political shift that we've seen around this issue, particularly o...

Talk in washington by members of official dom, sometimes in hearing rooms, about what cia is simultaneously saying, we cannot admit exists. >> that's the crazy and comical thing is that the cia would talk to reporters or government officials would talk to reporters, president went on jay leno and talked about the drone program. then the cia would say, this is a secret. and not only is it a secret but it would jeopardizes to even mention it. this decision narrows the gap between those two things, at least a little bit. >> the courts have been really quite differential and reluctant. seems like ...