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But i would defer to her on that question. >> let's defer to her then. >> talk about where the investigation is parallel investigation is going. >> absolutely, there are parallel investigations, house oversight committee, senate judiciary looking into the final days of the trump administration, what was going on with trump officials that led to the january 6th insurrection and what's happening with donald trump and his other officials pressuring the justice department to try to overturn results of the election. former justice department officials as pete said have been asked to testify, going ...

They sided with judge jackson, judge jackson sided that ruling in her opinion, it just doesn't hold water, and the executive privilege argument, i think, i'm not a lawyer, but i think that is a difficult one, too, because mcgann already provided his story tole mueller investigation. i keep going back to the simple need that congress is our representatives, our most direct representatives in washington, the people, and they have to be able to conduct oversight over the executive branch which could use their power to do harm over the american people. and once again obstructing investigations int...

The white house chief of staff, acting or otherwise, to testify? because i'm guessing you're going to want to hear from mr. mulvaney now and he's going to have that powerful executive privilege argument to make. how is that going to work? >> you know, as a practical matter, i think if he asserts -- if the president asserts executive privilege, it's going to be tough to overcome. but, you know, you just take what is in the public domain. the president's release of the transcript of his call with the president of ukraine. mr. mulvaney's press conference today where he basically says, so what? we...

Be the process for going about to get the full thing? >> obviously, that's one thing subpoena because form normally you would say there's a great executive privilege argument, this is after a presidential conversation. but they've already released the summary or summary transcript so i think that is not going to be a strong argument here. but at the end of the day what we've seen from this white house is their position is they don't really care, they'll just say no and article 3, the third article was failure to respond to subpoenas, a series of subpoenas and that's what happened then, and we'...

Totally stonewalled us. nixon got up and said look at all the documents i'm turning over. he had these three ring binders. he says i've given everything but of course they were doctored transcripts. and when we compare the transcripts against the actual tapes there were not just explitiv explitives deleted but things added and you can't trust it. >> right, the transcript we saw recalls, right, infamously the nixon tapes have this section. it doesn't seem to time out. what would be the process for going about -- rich, what would be the prosfor going about to get the full thing? >> obviously, th...