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Measure of protection for the conversations he has with his senior staff. that's not about. but that can't extend to wrongdoing or concealing crimes. if the president were to say to his chief of staff, hey, let's go rob a bank tomorrow, no one in no court would ever say that that statement ought to be protected. so, look. meadows well, i think, likely try to challenge this on executive privilege grounds. some of the conversations he had with the president might be protected, but, look, if we're talking about possible criminal wrongdoing of the president or someone around him, it's going to be ...

Now. the justice department tends to not compel people to testify that they are going to go on with the crime. here's a problem with doing so. what you have done is force him to testify against his wishes. it is really hard to then charge him with a crime after that because he already had testimony from him. we do not make people testify against themselves. it is a little tricky. now with respect to executive privilege we should talk about what we mean and what that is. we expect as a country that the president of the united states is entitled to a measure of protection for the conversations t...

This is all happening against the backdrop of what might be the biggest development this week. mike pence has been subpoenaed by special counsel jack smith in his probe investigating both trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election and his handling, or mishandling of classified documents. nbc news is now reporting that trump's attorneys are expected to fight that pence subpoena on executive privilege grounds. joining us now are molly jiang fast, host of the fast baltics bacchus and charles coleman, msnbc analysts. charles, i'll start with you. this trump team, still finding more classified m...

Consensual search the fbi conducted on friday afternoon. and and visor to mike pence confirmed to nbc news, quote the vice president continued as directed by his legal team to continue its cooperation with the authorities already seem to be fully transparent with the matter. that, of course, stands in stark contrast on how donald trump has handled the classified documents saga. this is all happening against the backdrop of what might be the biggest development this week. mike pence has been subpoenaed by special counsel jack smith in his probe investigating both trump's efforts to overturn the...

Let's race. boom. >> welcome back,, everybody no introducing the 10g network only from xfinity. word yet from the pence or trump cab yet after a source familiar with that matter told and we see news that lawyer for the former presidents are expected to face the subpoena issue defense by the special counsel on executive privilege grounds, joining me now is nbc's international politics jonathan alvin. jonathan, it's great to talk to. you is there any indication at this point that trump supported efforts to stop pence from testifying would in fact be successful? >> i guess it's a question of how ...