Evidence. you are exactly right. let me ask you a question. >> bill: no, no. >> hectoring? isn't this just going after. >> bill: we are doing our job here, juan, trying to find out what happened. >> find out what happened but at some point it becomes wishful filament by republicans he is not a successful president and stop him from doing anything in the second term. >> bill: that's totally absurd. mary katharine, wait. was shulman doing at the white house 157 times? >> they were looking at excessive spending. >> bill: he was there trying to reign in the executive spending. >> talked about the ...