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Throwing everything at the wall to see if anything would stick and if the judge would take one of these far-fetched arguments and none work. i don't think manafort will cooperate. i think he's more scared of russians than jail. >> what do you mean? >> we know now from the exhibit list he had a significant loan from oli g, and in debt to him. >> he's scared the russians could do what? >> this is me based on the reporting we've seen, i think he's scared if he cooperated and provided information about russian attacks on the election and conspiracy about the trump campaign, russians could come aft...

Paul manafort or there may be evidence that's come up in this case they were involved in his business dealings. that's those four. the 5 th person, dennis raico looking at his linked in page, based on the exhibit list we saw last week, he works and may have been involved in this deal that we first reported on about mueller and prosecutors in new york asking if paul manafort promised steven caulk who heads that bank a white house job in return, and it was going to be an administration job, in return for approving loans. we know for public filings, the federal savings bank did approve those loan...

Serious. but then again, so is the one in d.c. and here's how they make it out. it's pretty straight forward. they prove that was he conducting activities, did he fail to register? it's just like the one that harry talked about in virginia. it's a pretty straight forward process. and federal prosecutors don't like to lose. if they're going to bring a case like this and get an indictment, you're going to see, just like you saw with the exhibit list, classic prosecution, federal government overkill. they're going to inundate a jury, either in d.c. or virginia, with evidence of these crimes. and ...

Disclose that he has foreign registered shell companies and then transfers money from those accounts to his interior designer, to his clothing person for high end suits, et cetera, et cetera. homes and all sorts of other luxury items. and so it's a pretty -- it looks to be like it will be a pretty intensive document case as you would expect in a tax fraud, mortgage fraud case. and i think that's ultimately what this exhibit list illustrates. >> the prosecutors have a big job here because an important person in manafort's life flipped and as you put may be kind of a naritator in this trial. >> ...

To see them distancing themselves from manafort. i think back to sean spicer calling paul manafort a mere short-term volunteer. in the courtroom, what should we expect monday? >> when you say the white house is distancing themselves now, it doesn't matter. if there is evidence of what they did in the past, it is there. it exists. this exhibit list shows us, gives us a sign, a preview, of what exactly the government is going to show. we don't need to see the content of the documents. just the explanation enough shows us, we're going to see a lot of e-mails. a lot of people like rick gates, prob...