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Collusion is a behavior that's bad. you tried to access stolen goods. they didn't succeed, but they made the effort and -- that's collusion. >> that's what's in the report. >> i take collusion as essentially a synonym for conspiracy to commit a federal offense. >> the question to my mind is was it honorable behavior to willingly accept dirt -- >> prosecutors don't deal with whether it's honorable or not. >> i'm talking about congress. >> this is a talk show. i'm not a prosecutor anymore. you're not. we're talking about what's good for the country. is it honorable behavior? everybody retreats b...

Interference in the election. if you're an american, you should care about interference in the next election. what should we do about that? chris wray, the current fbi director warned there's interference in the next election. why aren't we doing something about that? >> i think the ball is in congress's court with regard to that. >> except the republicans won't move on anything. mcconnell won't put anything on the floor about it. >> and the president never talks about it because of his insecurity. that's the only link. >> now -- >> that's how congress holds the president accountable. if you w...

Was in. he couldn't prosecute because of the rules. he was trying to describe his dilemma. it was confusing. no question about it. however the most powerful charge is that this president has made this entire situation all about staying in power. and to do that he is laid waste to any institution priority or person who stands in the way. >> the democrats lost so big today. their party is in shambles now. they are a mess. you fake news. that's why people don't deal with you. you're not an honest reporter. a dumb and unfair question. >> now, that's who he is. that's who he is to the american peop...

Victory. that's a political reality. >> as a guy who holds himself out as an integrity guy, you're not going to really defend lying and calling everything that the media does fake and everything the democrats do fake and subversive because you feel you're under siege? >> agreed. >> that's the problem with people on the right. you know what i mean? everything he says is okay. >> i am not prepared to say everything under the sun is a hoax. i've tried to call hem as i have seen them to be fair. i have said things with regard to the conduct of the investigation where i didn't think things were fai...

Pennsylvania, you've got to report it. it's not that hard. we had to do it. >> but mike is thinking about it. he's not sold. why? >> it's not clear that the trump campaign was ever offered that specific information. >> but they were. >> no, no, it is an analysis. mike is right. a thing of value -- >> they were told they could get information straight from kremlin files. right? and what was don junior say, if it's what you say, i love it, no question. but the evidence in the report is they had the meeting, and that information was not offered. so if -- >> i'm sorry, michael, so if i decide -- i...